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Post by roaring20s on Dec 5, 2009 23:55:44 GMT -6
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Post by barnettrp21122 on Dec 6, 2009 8:22:12 GMT -6
Thanks for posting these good clear pictures. It looks like the records are entombed in the mechanism! Any knowledge if it's in working order and what the dealer is asking for it? Bob
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Post by rj on Dec 6, 2009 8:55:22 GMT -6
Interesting that the cabinet is obviously based on that for the 10-50 and 9-55 victor models which were in production at that time. I assume therefore that this is a Victor machine? or perhaps they sold off excess cabinets they had never used? The amp configuration is different to that used in the 9-55 though and the loud speaker is very different. In the 9-55 there is a 6" speaker but it has alot of depth to it. In this machine the speaker unit seems quite shallow. All in all a very interesting machine. How much is is going for? RJ
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Post by roaring20s on Dec 6, 2009 11:29:46 GMT -6
The photos make its finish look a little better than it is, I think for having been in a business establishment and handled by the public its in great shape. I did not notice any missing cabinet elements other than the knobs on the front door and the back cover. No stains or gouges of note. The bottom frame has had some stress on the side not pictured. It did not look to be serious, just some separation of joints. The beveled glass panels are framed in a door and is hinged at the bottom. I would say the records are loaded by opening the front door. The back door is hinged at the top and opens from the bottom. You can see slightly later unit in action on YouTube. (Its not a dial-up friendly file). It shows the changer in action in the middle and end of the show. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gDFaHbkIpAThere seems to be a decent amount of information on the web about these and others like it. The seller had another selectable unit by a different manufacturer. (I bet they picked these up from the same person). I post those this evening. It has a very different opereating system. Nothing I glanced at (on the internet) mentioned a Victor relationship. The simple coin slot is on the top right front corner. You can just see it here with some of the corner detail... and detail on the feet... I will check on the asking price. James.
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Post by rj on Dec 6, 2009 12:27:50 GMT -6
Great you tube video. Its a great machine. On the cabinet...on looking at the photos more carefully (inclusing the additional one) I think I would describe the cabinet as Victor - eske. It looks a bit like the 10-50 / 9-55 cabinet but close up there are significant differences. Still, a very nice machine. Just a shame I am a continent away...... RJ
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Dan G
Two Spring Motor
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Post by Dan G on Dec 6, 2009 20:13:47 GMT -6
A very nice machine! The youtube video is killer!
The tune being played is also great! ;D
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Post by MTPhono on Dec 6, 2009 20:41:07 GMT -6
Darn that really is an interesting machine. Who wouldn't want one of these in their living room (besides my wife)?
Why haven't you picked this up yet, Roaring?
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DonIV
Three Spring Motor
Listening to Ray Noble collection
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Post by DonIV on Dec 6, 2009 21:02:43 GMT -6
The record changing on this machine is ballet compared to the break dance style of the 1A
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Post by roaring20s on Dec 6, 2009 21:04:15 GMT -6
Frankly, its technology scares me.
This would require a combination of time, skill and funding which I am not ready for. (A reserve of that last choice can negate the others and then I'm in!)
The sticker price is $2,900.
James.
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Post by doughouston on Dec 6, 2009 23:55:39 GMT -6
This is but one of the changers that Capehart made. They seemed to be a poneer in record changer innovations. There is nothing about this juke box that even remotely sugests a resemblance to anything that Victor ever made. The Victor changers were no monument to careful record handling, but these coin machines were champion record marauders!
The first generation Victor was made about the year of this Capehart, and was necessarily less complex, because of no necessity for coin operation, though some of the Victor changers were made to be used as coin machines.
In those pioneering days, Capehart seemed to favor changers that dragged records across the mechanism, to get them to the turntable, and away from it. Back in the early fifties, at a summer resort where our family went, there was a Capehart Amperion Juke box, with the coin mechanism disabled, and we kids played it. The pickup head bore full weight on the unfortunate record, as it played (plowed?) the record. Following that, the record was dragged over other discs, into the "ready pile", as another was pulled to the turntable.
Referring to the Mills box, this changer was seen in several Mills machines in the 1932 era. One of my boyhood friend's family had one of the other Mills models: "Do-Re-Mi", which bore a bit of resemblance to the one shown here. The changer was loaded from the front of the cabinet. When a selection was made, the whole shebang rotated, and the turntable and disc that came into horizontal position on the right, looking at it from the front, and the pickup head dropped onto the disc, along with the motor and rubber roller, to drive the turntable at its rim.
It was a great many years before juke boxes were built that didn't destroy a record in the first few plays.
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Post by earlyjukeman on Dec 7, 2009 11:46:15 GMT -6
I have the same one as in the YouTube video. It is a 28G, made in 1928. The 28F, the one shown here, has some DNA from an older phono in it. The obvious thing is that it has an electric pick up grafted on to a orthophonic type tone arm. The thing that you can't see is that the turntable is spring wound. That's right , SPRING WOUND, just like your old crank Victrola but in this case the spring is wound by an electric motor. The reason for this is that a good part of the country didn't have regulated AC power so if it had an electric motor the 78 RPM could vary plus or minus several revs causing wow. With the spring this didn't matter. The same electric motor drives the changer mechanism.
In the You Tube video, you see the record drop and flip over to the right. It goes on a conveyer under the turntable and back into the bottom of the stack. It's a remarkable mechanism. In the video , the guy puts the coin into a wall box which would have normally been located somewhere far from the jukebox. The coin slot is on the right side , not the top as in the 28F.
Any questions ,just ask. If you find an early juke that you think needs a good home please PM me. thanks, Al
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