Post by Moooperator on Mar 2, 2009 14:19:45 GMT -6
This first video shows the mechanics of the HMV 1A changer. It will not stop changing the record so that part still needs some tinkering. (Sorry for the poor quality - my new digital video camera is not compatible with my computer so my semi-broken tape camera recorded this off the TV.)
This next video has both the Victrola 10-50 orthophonic and the HMV 1A automatic Re-entrant playing the same record with the same reproducer (rebuilt Brass Ortho).
HORNS SIZES:
10-50 16.5" x 34" = 561 sq. in
HMV 1A 38"X16.25" = 617.5 sq. in.
(HMV's big Gun - the 202 - is 23' X31" = 713 sq. in.)
I did a little test with my wife and 17 year old son scoring the two machines. We played the same records with the same reproducer on both. We played one fox trot with vocals and one classical with heavy orchestration on both. They rated each play in 4 categories. With 20 being the highest possible score on each play and the overall highest score 40.
CLARITY - Based on clean, unmuffled sound
FULLNESS - Range of the treble and the bass
LOUDNESS - well... how loud it was
WARMTH - overall pleasantness to listen to
The scores - for what it's worth were:
With years of arguing about which was the best at certain abilities, through the years I seemed to think that most would agree Clarity was in the HMV corner while warmth was in the Orthophonic corner. (Just like the scores indicated) Now the ongoing arguments (and I'm sure this does not solve them but only makes them worse) is who had the best range and loudness. Plus there is the argument of a Victor reproducer on a HMV machine just ain't right.
Just a few notes: the listeners were about the same distance and level from both machines. Lids were closed to remove record surface noise. I did not coach them on the machines - just explained what we were looking for in each category.
On the Fox Trot with vocals it was about an even fight but the 10-50 pulled ahead of the HMV when it came to the classical orchestra music.
Now, the 10-50 I guess is the biggest gun we USA guys have for acoustic but the Brits do have the larger horned 202 and the mythical, orgasm producing (so I'm told) EMG's. So, with all of this said - who knows??!? ;D
Regards, Mooo
BTW After posting this video I realized that although during the scoring test the speed was right on 77-78 rpm - I had tinkered with it and removed the speed control on the HMV and and when I put it back on I didn't check it with a stroboscope. It is running a little fast in the video... not much (half a turn) but it is noticeable.
This next video has both the Victrola 10-50 orthophonic and the HMV 1A automatic Re-entrant playing the same record with the same reproducer (rebuilt Brass Ortho).
HORNS SIZES:
10-50 16.5" x 34" = 561 sq. in
HMV 1A 38"X16.25" = 617.5 sq. in.
(HMV's big Gun - the 202 - is 23' X31" = 713 sq. in.)
I did a little test with my wife and 17 year old son scoring the two machines. We played the same records with the same reproducer on both. We played one fox trot with vocals and one classical with heavy orchestration on both. They rated each play in 4 categories. With 20 being the highest possible score on each play and the overall highest score 40.
CLARITY - Based on clean, unmuffled sound
FULLNESS - Range of the treble and the bass
LOUDNESS - well... how loud it was
WARMTH - overall pleasantness to listen to
The scores - for what it's worth were:
With years of arguing about which was the best at certain abilities, through the years I seemed to think that most would agree Clarity was in the HMV corner while warmth was in the Orthophonic corner. (Just like the scores indicated) Now the ongoing arguments (and I'm sure this does not solve them but only makes them worse) is who had the best range and loudness. Plus there is the argument of a Victor reproducer on a HMV machine just ain't right.
Just a few notes: the listeners were about the same distance and level from both machines. Lids were closed to remove record surface noise. I did not coach them on the machines - just explained what we were looking for in each category.
On the Fox Trot with vocals it was about an even fight but the 10-50 pulled ahead of the HMV when it came to the classical orchestra music.
Now, the 10-50 I guess is the biggest gun we USA guys have for acoustic but the Brits do have the larger horned 202 and the mythical, orgasm producing (so I'm told) EMG's. So, with all of this said - who knows??!? ;D
Regards, Mooo
BTW After posting this video I realized that although during the scoring test the speed was right on 77-78 rpm - I had tinkered with it and removed the speed control on the HMV and and when I put it back on I didn't check it with a stroboscope. It is running a little fast in the video... not much (half a turn) but it is noticeable.