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Post by MTPhono on Jan 22, 2009 16:53:54 GMT -6
No wonder you want a BC with that nice shiney horn! I want you to get one too now! Exactly! I need a great BC to go along with this horn. Like GFP says, it is surprising that any survived. This is the same horn mentioned in the brass horn repair thread. It wasn't perfect until I brought it to my horn repair guy. He worked wonders. There is one visible crease but minor considering the rarity of the horn. George - do you know of any other similar horns? I found that horn in Southern Oregon just down the road from Mr Victors house (and talked the seller down to $25). I lucked out for sure finding this.
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 22, 2009 18:42:46 GMT -6
Scott, I've seen only 2 others - one in California and one in Connecticut. A rare bird for sure. I've come to admire the horns of the Standard Metal Manufacturing Company for the variety offered by the company. Here are two black & brass trumpet-style horns with original floral decorations on the outside of the cone sections. As far as I know, Standard was the only company to do this: George P.
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 22, 2009 18:51:32 GMT -6
...And here's another unusual product of Standard, unfortunately with very worn finish. It was called "Crystal & Gold" in a 1905 advertisement. You can get an idea of how striking this looked a century ago... George P.
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 22, 2009 20:57:21 GMT -6
I like that Sonora "Symphony." ...And your wife brought this as part of her dowry?? Where do you FIND girls like that?!
George P.
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 22, 2009 21:08:23 GMT -6
Scott,
Well, I could send you a bottle of the drool it's causing...!
I've had very good results cleaning fragile/thin paint using a non-pumiced hand cleaner like GoJo. Test it in a small, unobtrusive spot, and if you like the way it removes dirt, try it a second time on the same little spot for 2 or 3 minutes - just to be sure you're not tempting fate. When you gently wipe the spot dry, check your cloth for paint color. As I said, I've never had a problem with GoJo. Nice, gentle stuff.
George P.
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Post by schweg on Jan 24, 2009 14:34:03 GMT -6
And do I see a Stollwerck too? And an original tinfoil???
It is a Eureka- no Stollwerck markings- it's a little banged up but not too bad- the tinfoil is a replica of the Vital, neat but not an oldie.....
Hey guys- sorry for the slow response. I'm in FL this week, went to Orlando today and was privileged to meet the famous, or is it infamous, Moo!
There were some great machines although my main purpose was to drop off a horn for Don Gfell to do his magic on. Last time I was really impressed with his work.
I'm currently at the library in Dunnellon, FL, near my parents winter place. The library only gives 30 minutes and with my typing ability, that's just not enough!!... Monday our plan is to head to Ft. Myers to see the Edison Winter home. Then I leave for home on Thurs but will detour to an auction to see what phono goodies they have... Oh yea, my dad carted a DD C-250 (oak) to FL from NJ so I have that stuffed in the back of my van.. All in all, a perfect Phono vacation.
Steve
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Post by tinfoilphono on Jan 24, 2009 16:48:49 GMT -6
"Allen's Paper Lacquer Horn" -- made of heavily lacquered papier maché and sold by Peter Bacigalupi and later Byron Mauzy of San Francisco: This is one of my favorites, an oversized brass belled horn with a very deep flare, with dimensions of 17" long and 9-1/4" diameter bell. It's too heavy to ride on a reproducer so I'm sure it must have been made for coin-ops, which is why I opted to use it on my Excelsior: My two biggest crowd pleasers among the non-collectors who visit my house are these fancy morning glory types: The one on the left is actually an aftermarket Victor horn, I'm displaying it on the Paillard Maestrophone until I can find the correct horn for this machine. This is a favorite horn of mine because my parents gave it to me for Christmas in 1962!
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 24, 2009 18:47:02 GMT -6
Rene, With all due respect to non-collectors, I especially like the Hawthorne & Sheble horn on the Devineau Biophone. With a H&S crane, even! Very classy! Some guys really know what they're doing...
George P.
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Post by tinfoilphono on Jan 24, 2009 20:21:58 GMT -6
Thanks, George, but you realize that a Devineau Biophone would look MUCH better with a Devineau "Ideal" horn. <hint, hint>
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 24, 2009 21:07:07 GMT -6
Here's a combination of an unusual horn and a restoration in progress... Several months ago in a local antique shop I happened across a nickel-plated flower horn manufactured by the Tea Tray Company. I've never seen another TTCo. horn in nickel, and to make it even more interesting, this one has red cabbage roses painted on the interior. I would have been overjoyed, except that someone for God-knows-what-reason had painted a brown wash of some sort over the interior. At first I hoped it was original, but a quick examination showed that it wasn't. I brought it home and tested lacquer thinner, alcohol solvent, and some other solvents on the wash to try to determine what it was, but nothing seemed to affect it. Not knowing what to do without destroying the floral decoration, I've just had the horn sitting in my shop for months. Here's what the interior looked like...note how the wash turned the red roses very dark: Here's a closeup - just in case the ugly didn't slap you hard enough... Well, today I was cleaning & polishing another nickled horn for someone else. I was using Nevr-Dull, and getting good results, as usual on nickel with this product. I finished the job and was putting away my materials when I thought of my TTCo. horn, and realized that I had not tried Nevr-Dull on that brown wash. Eureka! It takes some elbow grease, but the Nevr-Dull slowly removes the wash without harming the flowers! Here's the end of one panel & decoration after the Nevr-Dull treatment: Tomorrow - if my hands are up to it (I polished almost 2 hours on the other guy's horn!) - I'll be removing the rest of the brown wash and polishing the exterior too. It's exciting to finally know what to do with this mysterious wash, and to know that soon this unusual horn will be upstairs with its brethren. I'll post of photo of the horn when it's finished. Meanwhile, here's a shot of the entire interior, showing the polished panel end at the 10:00 position. Note how the cleaned up red rose pops now. Okay - 3 or 4 hours' work and I'll be finished... George P.
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Post by Jim C. on Jan 25, 2009 0:46:57 GMT -6
Oh, wow!
That panel is BEAUTIFUL! The color in that rose!
I can not wait to see the entire horn cleaned up. That is amazing.
I too have used the nev-r-dull wadding for years. It is amazing. I think you need to careful with it around laquer, though.
Jim C.
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Post by tampadon on Jan 25, 2009 16:11:28 GMT -6
George, I have a Vic 0 horn that has turned a dark, dull butterscotch color and was wanting to try to clean it up and thereby perhaps restore its original color. I see that you recommended to Scott to use Gojo, but do you think that the Nev-r-dull might work better and be safer to use on the paint? Don
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 25, 2009 16:52:52 GMT -6
Don, I'd still recommend GoJo for paint as being the safer alternative. Try it on an unobtrusive spot first. If the GoJo doesn't do the trick, I guess you could give the Nevr-Dull a shot. I just finished the horn I showed above, and I'm happy to report that it suffered no paint damage from the Never-Dull - - however, it isn't a Victor 0 horn either. The paint may be different. It's always prudent to work from the least intrusive method up to the bench grinder...! Good luck! George P.
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 25, 2009 17:16:51 GMT -6
Well, I'm happy to write that this horn is FINISHED. I probably should have let my hands take a rest for a day, but I was too excited. You folks know what I'm talking about... At around 2:30 or so this afternoon, Barb came into the kitchen to check on my progress, and apparently was so inspired with the improvement, she took this photo: The Nevr-Dull was still filmy on the inner surfaces and dampened the reflections. Note the blossom at the 7:00 position. Some moron had used steel wool on it (WHY?), before the brown wash had been applied. (Maybe the guy was trying to hide the evidence.) By 4:00, the horn finally looked like this: Whew! I'm going to investigate having an artist recreate that mangled blossom so it won't be so obtrusive. It's obvious that the cotton wadding of Nevr-Dull acts as a mild abrasive. Perhaps for cleaning paint (e.g.: a Victor 0 horn), some other, milder cleaning agent's effects might be enhanced by the careful use of cotton wadding. But where would one purchase this? George P.
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